| What is your general opinion about isekai, if you talk about it seriously? If you love this "genre", is there any isekai's directions or trends that you cannot stand and always bypass? And if you do not like isekai, then is there any directions, trends, or maybe some show that you still like and which you could give a chance? |
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| im not a big fan of isekai, they all seem to follow the exact same script. i loved re zero, but im having trouble finding any others i actually enjoy. i wish they would have more to the story than: guy dies, gets reincarnated, finds a group to adventure with (all the characters are so 2d), they go on the adventure. |
| I would like to live in another world, so I like isekai. |
Reply to subahokke
im not a big fan of isekai, they all seem to follow the exact same script. i loved re zero, but im having trouble finding any others i actually enjoy. i wish they would have more to the story than: guy dies, gets reincarnated, finds a group to adventure with (all the characters are so 2d), they go on the adventure.
| @subahokke That is, you do not like the very formula, that many isekai follow with adding self-ansert "real person" in the power fantasy? |
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| problem is not isekai, problem is the rpg element that's stupid and the truly bad jokes. Other big part is the main character, 99% of cases he's an idiot and I dislike idiots in my anime. Good isekai is El Hazard and stuff like that, not shit like mushoku. |
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Reply to BirdyTheMighty
Isekai is a broad genre. So really depends on your definition.
For example, Youjo Senki is technically Isekai. But not really reminiscent of most Isekai stuff, and is actually good. So is Ancient Magus Bride (technically)
For example, Youjo Senki is technically Isekai. But not really reminiscent of most Isekai stuff, and is actually good. So is Ancient Magus Bride (technically)
| @BirdyTheMighty Talking about any isekai in principle. However, I would call Youjo Senki a rather typical Non-Fantasy isekai. |
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@subahokke That is, you do not like the very formula, that many isekai follow with adding self-ansert "real person" in the power fantasy?
| @RobertBobert yes i suppose. im sure there are other types of isekai out there i just havent found any tbh. what i dont like about it is that cliche and stereotypical storyline where some guy is reincarnated and saves the world |
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@subahokke That is, you do not like the very formula, that many isekai follow with adding self-ansert "real person" in the power fantasy?
| @RobertBobert yes i suppose. im sure there are other types of isekai out there i just havent found any tbh. what i dont like about it is that cliche and stereotypical storyline where some guy is reincarnated and saves the world |
| I don't like the fact that isekai* is all about taking shortcuts: - MC was a Japanese NEET/salaryman and that makes him more relatable to the target audience - MC was reborn thanks to the power of a god or a goddess and that's why he's so overpowered... -... while also not knowing anything about the fantasy world so everything needs to be explained to him - game mechanics like skills and levels so you don't have to learn things organically, just do random stuff until a voiceover tells you "level up, new skill acquired" You can still take these shortcuts and make something good, but it's not a coincidence that the very best fantasy anime aren't isekai. *of course, I'm talking about the current narou-kei trend of isekai. Older stuff retroactively considered isekai don't have anything to do with that. |
| majority of isekai is bad with few exceptions here and there |
| Isekai was really helpful for me as a newcomer to anime, and I still like it a little bit, but in general I think I have watched enough isekai and nowadays Japan should go back to it's own otaku-genre roots instead of making a thousand elf parodies. |
| In theory, I like the concept of "transported to another world," but in reality, isekai comes with so much other... "stuff" that I dislike or find boring. And the sheer quantity of these shows every. single. season and the noise around them mostly killed my interest in the genre, outside of a few that get me curious and amused. For example, Zenshuu from this season seems to be a weird mix of isekai and the life of an animator, which I'm enjoying at the moment. I'm sure Re:Zero and Mushoku Tensei are great shows, but I'm just over it, and I probably won't bother trying them in the foreseeable future. |
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@RobertBobert guess I just ain't too acquainted with the different flavors of isekai. Though I do think it has some tropes that are definitely typical, the execution is somewhat unique (to my knowledge)
| @BirdyTheMighty If you forget about the setting, then the main difference is that this is not so much power fantasy, how much the authorโs political satire. |
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| Isekai is lazy and superficial genre which existence worsen a fantasy genre. It's like nobody interested anymore in stand alone fantasy world which is believable and developed, instead with isekai we always have some video game crap and simpleton MC which teleported there with all RPG rules but keeps serious story tone what makes it ridicolous. Only pure comedy isekai is nice, also something dramatic with self-reflection from modern world standpoint, everything else is awful. |
| I love isekai because I love being able to step away from the real world and immerse myself in animes with great worldbuilding. I like to imagine myself in the MC's shoes and how different my actions would be if I were there. Isekai is like my comfort genre, It doesn't bother me that many of these animes are copy-pastes and aren't very original. Sometimes thats just what I need. I guess I am open to all kinds of isekai, I just prefer those with good animations and excellent worldbuilding! No ecchi stuff preferably...Although I love any 18+ anime that is not ecchi related. |
"We can't seem to resist what is out of our reach. Maybe that explains our obsession with the stars, the unknown is too appealing"  |
| while i admit i'm quite a fan of the isekai genre...i cant help but bash on isekai's at the same time. the isekai genre is one that imho should be able to include all other genres...but for some reason 90% or more, always default to a typical fantasy world of swords and magic...where the braindead/dense af/never held a girls hand MC becomes an adventurer and does typical videogame progression things...authors are getting lazy and hardly putting any effort into worldbuilding, character background/development, explanations about the magic/powers/abilities people use that world, rivalries between kingdoms/guilds/etc...now with all that being said...i do find myself looking for brain-off power fantasy isekai where the MC is just good at everything, gets the girl(or 4), becomes an OP legend in the world he's in, and just kicks ass...but damnit...it needs to be written with at least SOME effort. make the world interesting...make the characters somewhat 3dimensional...add some politics...do SOMETHING to make it stand out from the rest of the cookie cutter BS thats come out in the last 5-6 years. one more thing as a side note...im tired of the kirito clones. there are plenty of character designs out there... |
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@Lawgun But Sousou no Frieren is the number one anime on MAL right now and that is a
Lawgun said:
stand alone fantasy world which is believable and developed
stand alone fantasy world which is believable and developed
| @Finkelstein Just one anime in the middle of thousands of isekai? And despite I still didn't watch it I bet it's just slightly better than average anime, such a rating only proves it. Anything really special would never be so highly acclaimed by wide masses. |
| There are some great Isekai. In fact, my favourite anime of all-time (Vision Of Escaflowne) is an Isekai. I also like Mushoku Tensei, Konosuba a lot, Tensura quite a bit and now, Zenshu. However, there are a lot of bad, bad Isekai. I definitely have little interest in the Isekais where the Isekai element of the show is completely unimportant, in other words, that the show would be exactly the same if it was simply a fantasy anime without the (Isekai/Reincarnation/Whatever it may be) aspect. |
| I hardly watch any isekai anime, outside of Konosuba. |
| It's lazy writing, uninspired generic power-fantasy slop made by people with no imagination for people with no imagination. It is one thing to write an interesting story about a whole invented world that is encountered, and gives a viewer a glimpse of something they never saw before. But some low-effort script about some average loser being granted everything and never having to make any effort or face any difficulties or anything beyond his granted powers, is the true death of the fiction hero. Heroes used to be average people who became great by overcoming incredible odds and with the help of friends; not just pathetic cyphers who blink and are magically "actually the strongest" with no effort and no adversity, surrounded by a bunch of girls. Pro-tip, hack writers: Women are not attracted to lazy good-for-nothing dweebs who got granted everything. They are much more attracted by strong personality and determined resolve, and a slight challenge- of someone who they want more than he needs them. |
| Isekai is an overdone played out genre with the vast majority being some sort of fan service or power fantasy nonsense. While all of that is bad I feel like the main problem is that most don't make good use of the fact that it is in some way or another traveling to another world and would be better off just being some sort of generic fantasy. The rare few good iseaki tend to take advantage of this but most don not so most part its just overdone power fantasy and fan service. |
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| Ah yes, MID-sekai. I have been reading and watching a wide range of titles across they years and truthfully, most of them are just mid beyond belief. There is too much reliance on the usual tropes with common directions with no unique twists or turns. Despite this fact, I still seek good titles as not all hope is lost. Like the new series " New World Builders, " where all students of a class are reincarnated as monsters and they try to survive together and all or Kuma Bear of a few years ago, a refreshing unique take with a great fusion between the Bear theme and a sharp MC |
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| Reborn as a Vending Machine, I Now Wander the Dungeon. the ONLY time i will defend an isekai made in the last 10 years |
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| I'll assume that most of them are shit, since most posters look like slop, so I don't even give them a chance. In a way, that's also good, let's me stay with a few ones that I like and maintain my good image of the genre. |
| the isekai genre is basically the industry's cash cow, and so - for reasons which I think are obvious - I try to avoid it if I can. that said, I have still watched a decent amount of truly terrible isekai out of pure boredom, and I have also come to find some I actually quite enjoyed. anime like drifters, grimgar of ashes, youjo senki, and ascendance of a bookworm... overlord and tensei shitarra slime were alright too. like others have mentioned, I'm tired by the repetition and lack of creativity, and no... making your protag a spider, sword, old man, cat, skeleton, goblin, pig, or vending machine (?????) isn't the solution. |
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| Isekai is best genre in anime fight me. RobertBobert said: trends that you cannot stand and always bypass? That doesn't mean every iseaki is good. I hate same lazy writing with lazy writing with cooky cutter exp "I am weakest but actually strongest". What most people think is all of Isekai which it isn't. And most of these trash are not even Isekai just normal fantasy. With out the twist of otherworld it is even worse. If you look this season chart there around 5-6 of these and only 1 is Isekai ig. But there are still 3-4 good Isekais people tend to avoid those and only focus on these two hate the genre smh. |
| I don't watch isekai that much, most of the time whenever I try I lose interest pretty quickly. I stopped caring about KonoSuba after a few episodes. Looking back, Suicide Squad Isekai was...meh. An isekai I'm watching rn is Zenshuu and...it's okay. Not the worst isekai I've seen, but not that promising either. But there has been some isekai that I've seen and liked, such as Drifters and Dead Mount Death Play. |
| If I had to choose between One Piece and a girlfriend...I think I'll go with One Piece |
| "Let's talk about isekai seriously" Seriously, for some reason the best isekai: Isekai Ojisan, Youjo Senki and Konosuba (thus by proxy Isekai Quartet) are comedies. RobertBobert said: I would call Youjo Senki a rather typical Non-Fantasy isekai. I mean, Youjo Senki is more of a diesel punk, but still has magic, thus it's totally a fantasy title. And yeah, Tanya is absurdly overpowered with knowledge (from the original world) and magic. |
alshuFeb 25, 11:39 PM
| I'm not the first and I'm not the last person who will say this: isekai is anime fast food. "Let's talk seriously about Wendy's" "Let's talk seriously about Taco Bell" "Let's talk seriously about McDonald's" I don't hate isekai. I like some, dislike some. But really, there's not much serious discussion to be had about it. |
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| Do I call isekai genre'a "slop" for giggles? yeah. But I watch at least 2 [or more] Isekai per season if the trailer/characters look interesting enough. I'm certaintly not a hater of the genre'a, but I'm not a fan either. If the MC looks extremely generic and the rest of the cast has no redeeming qualities either I just pass most of the time. If it's well animated, there's a higher chance I will check it out [or if it has more than 1 season] - still most of the Isekai's I watched are at least a 7 in my book [watchable, wasn't bored, good enough] but If the genre'a will stay here [and it will] I would like to see some more creativity with it [Like what Madoka done to Magical Girls] [I know Madoka wasn't the first to go "dark" - but It set up a trend of sorts]. Still at least Isekai brought me good laugh with my legion of generic Isekai MC's that still took my heart in some way, but seeing them side by side it's still funny. |
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"Let's talk about isekai seriously"
Seriously, for some reason the best isekai: Isekai Ojisan, Youjo Senki and Konosuba (thus by proxy Isekai Quartet) are comedies.
I mean, Youjo Senki is more of a diesel punk, but still has magic, thus it's totally a fantasy title.
And yeah, Tanya is absurdly overpowered with knowledge (from the original world) and magic.
Seriously, for some reason the best isekai: Isekai Ojisan, Youjo Senki and Konosuba (thus by proxy Isekai Quartet) are comedies.
RobertBobert said:
I would call Youjo Senki a rather typical Non-Fantasy isekai.
I would call Youjo Senki a rather typical Non-Fantasy isekai.
I mean, Youjo Senki is more of a diesel punk, but still has magic, thus it's totally a fantasy title.
And yeah, Tanya is absurdly overpowered with knowledge (from the original world) and magic.
| @alshu I wanted to say that this is not a typical Japanese RPG-based Medieval Fantasy. |
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| I don hate it. Yeah a lot of elements are overused at this point but people will still find a reason to watch it. I personally used to read a lot of isekai manga at one point as well. Some felt a bit refreshing and I loved some interspecies romance. |
If you enjoyed the time you wasted, then its not a waste of time.  |
| Isekai is just fantasy with an extra step. The problem is the authors. How many of them can and will write something that isn't crap? |
| I don't have a problem with it, fundamentally. There is a somewhat annoying fad involving specifically series which are isekai and medieval-european-inspired/RPG-style fantasy and involve a main character who has some sort of incredible advantage which is directly indicated in an excessively long title. And where the main character is probably a teenage/young-adult male and probably gets a harem. Though that by itself isn't a reason to not like a show. Also, some shows have some but not all of those characteristics. But even if they have them all, the most important thing is how the story plays out. If it plays out well, then some of those might instead be reasons to like a show. I mean, let's say I'm in the mood to watch something which features a knight character who is female. Such shows offer a non-zero chance of this setup being a thing, so if that's what I'm looking for then I might check out some of these shows. The show might end up grating on me or becoming a favorite for whatever reason, but the premise doesn't say how it'll end up doing. I've mentioned a few times on this forum before, how someone mentioned three isekai shows to me one season a few years back, and I checked out the first episodes of each, and ended up dropping two and watching the third all the way because I liked it more. Turns out that the two I dropped were more popular (they're Arifureta and Maou-sama Retry) and the third one was less popular and often criticized as more "generic" (Isekai Cheat Magician). Also yeah there's a history of isekai shows that predate the current boom of shows that are part of...what could be described as a modern lineage following Sword Art Online, I guess. (Go ahead, argue about whether SAO counts. I say it does.) From what I understand they more often star female main characters, which is a neat bit of trivia. |
GlennMagusHarveyFeb 26, 2:39 AM
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| It isn't really "isekai" as in all the isekai of anime and other mediums - the underlying base concept of isekai, which most people who dislike it nowadays have a problem with. It's a specific subtype of isekai involving video game mechanics like computerized interface screens (even though it makes no logical sense in-universe for them to be there as there is no indication that the characters are in the world of a video game or any other form of digital simulation) and overpowered main characters. The type which seem to have exploded in popularity and proliferation around 2012 when the Sword Art Online light novel series of 2009 caught on as an anime series. |
| I love the concept of isekai. Exploring a new world where you don't really fit in, getting accepted for who you are and finding new friends / a new family, becoming strong and protecting your loved ones. I genuinely resonate with these themes and like to see them explored in different ways. There is also the idea of traveling back and forth between worlds which is very cool, but it's rarely explored more deeply. Something that's not inherently about isekai but I still really like is the trend of giving the protagonist superpowers. I like when it's used to underline just how alien the protagonist is to this world and when it changes the conflict from just "Am I strong enough to beat the bad guys?" to "acting responsibly/intelligently with my powers" and "How do other people react to me?". It also allows for stories to be more than just Suspense and Action while still exploring darker themes. My favorite isekai trope is having multiple people be transported to another world together. I just love it if it's done correctly. But I have to say, there haven't been that many isekai anime in the the last two years that really made me excited. Too many modern isekai no longer focus on the fact that the protagonist is coming from a different world. If it's not important who they were before (except maybe for the fact that they like Japanese food) then you could just leave it out entirely. I don't like how common it is to have a male protagonist and female companions that are interested in him but nothing ever happens. With all the discussions about "harem in isekai" there is a surprising lack in actual polygamy or romance. I'd love to see good reverse-harem as well, but that's even more rare. Another thing I especially feel with male characters for some reason is that a lot of new isekai stories make their protagonists very boring. They don't have a specific goal or something that's important to them, they just go along with whatever other people tell them to do (usually becoming adventurers). I kind of blame the fact that too many isekai authors are novices who just have a good idea that's popular but don't actually have much experience in writing. I wish people would have higher standards. On the other hand, especially outside anime I still have a lot of new isekai stories that I'm looking forward to (especially the ones with female protagonists), so I'm not giving up the genre any time soon. As long as there are interesting stories I'm happy to check them out. I've been really happy that Arifureta recently got a 3rd season and I really like the new Welcome to Japan, Ms. Elf! |
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